Giant crop RNG question

[RevoCHX]

Hello,

I have a technical question that hopefully someone who knows how the game code works can answer here.

I'm trying to get a giant crop at a specific location in my farm, for decoration purposes. So it's only a 3x3 patch that I keep watered, matching all conditions.

I'm reaching the end of the season and the giant crop hasn't appeared yet. I know it's only a 1% chance each night in my case.

My question is the following: is the chance of the giant crop appearing somehow decided in advance, by the seed or some other thing?

I made a backup of my save on day 27. So I can sleep to reach day 28, see if the giant crop appeared, and if not, load back to day 27 and repeat the process until successful. But I don't want to be wasting my time if the game code has already decided that I'm never going to get my giant crop on day 28 anyway.

Thanks!

 

[Lew Zealand]

There are people with more technical expertise than me here, but there used to be a rough pattern to where giant crops would grow each night, with consistent offsets from other large crops when you'd fill the entire farm with giantable crops. That pattern seemed to change every day. Unless that methog of giant Crop generation has changed you may need to wait a long time until the right conditions occur at the spot you're targetting, whether that's step count, luck buffs, day count or any other RNG.

 

[RevoCHX]

Thanks for the answer, I'm not sure what you mean though! (Not a native english speaker) Do you imply that I would have to wait for a long time over the course of different days, or that using the save backup method enough times would eventually get me a result on one specific day?

I'm surprised you mention the luck buffs, the wiki states a fixed 1% chance for giant crops but it doesn't seem to be tied to player's luck? If it was, I would have to take a buff before going to bed I assume.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that the giant crop generation depends on the game state which turns out to have statistically a 1% chance of being appropriate, rather than just being a "1% dice roll" every night?

 

[FilthyGorilla]

It's a seeded chance, and determined by that and day alone in 1.6 last I checked.

Functionally you can imagine it as an infinite layer that of tiles laid overtop of the farm, with 'random' spots that have or don't have a 'check' (so-to-speak), the spots checking every morning if the conditions needed for them to be met are fulfilled. In the case of giant crops, where the tile has a fully grown (or grown in the morning after) melon/pumpkin/cauli/qi fruit/winter melon and 8 other of the same crops in the 8 tiles to the bottom right of it making a 3x3 square:

Here is a visualization, the 'O' is the crop the tile checks, and the 'X' are the other crops, they don't need to be watered or even grown:
O X X
X X X
X X X

The 1% comes from roughly 1% of tiles having a 'check' in that overlaid map, and the tiles shift around every day creating an additional sense of randomness. Since there is no way to dynamic seed (a bug that allowed changing seed midway through a save) on the current patch, there is no real way to accelerate this process, you're just going to have to wait an average of a few years.

 

[RevoCHX]

It's a seeded chance, and determined by that and day alone in 1.6 last I checked.

Thank you. So if I understand this correctly, since it's based on seed + current day, I will always get the same result if I repeat my day because both parameters are fixed. I could reload my save a million times and will never get my giant crop on the specific day I am right now.

I just have to give up I guess!

 

[EliteDangerGamer]

I just have to give up I guess!

I think you could go into the files and change the day that way

 

[RevoCHX]

I'm on PlayStation unfortunately, so I have to deal with the game as it is :)

 

[FilthyGorilla]

Thank you. So if I understand this correctly, since it's based on seed + current day, I will always get the same result if I repeat my day because both parameters are fixed. I could reload my save a million times and will never get my giant crop on the specific day I am right now.

I just have to give up I guess!

Yeah, that is correct, the tile is set per day and there isn't anything you can do to change it in current versions.

It doesn't necessarily mean you have to give up, though. You can easily set down seeds, sleep for a whole season, set down the next season's seeds, and continue. It'll only take on average an hour or 2 to get a large crop in a specific spot.

The only hesitation people have with this is not wanting to skip through days, but honestly it makes no difference, you could even say you're year 3 when you're on year 10 having skipped days, or you could do a final decorating spree at the end of the game when it really doesn't matter.

 

[RevoCHX]

You have a point about skipping days, but I don't have the gold clock yet (currently farming gold for it) so I assume my farm would end up in a bad shape if I skipped a lot. Having the giant crop in that specific spot wasn't too important anyway, I have now moved on to the next season and set up only a couple 5x5 melon crops, I already have 2 giant melons lol. It really makes a difference if you multiply the number of matching patterns!

 

[FilthyGorilla]

You have a point about skipping days, but I don't have the gold clock yet (currently farming gold for it) so I assume my farm would end up in a bad shape if I skipped a lot. Having the giant crop in that specific spot wasn't too important anyway, I have now moved on to the next season and set up only a couple 5x5 melon crops, I already have 2 giant melons lol. It really makes a difference if you multiply the number of matching patterns!

I mean you can clear it roughly yearly and it'll be fine, or you could skip days while making money (getting up weekly to do wine for example), and you'd get the clock pretty quick that way and kill two birds with one stone.

it's up to you and what you want to do in the end, good luck!

 

[pealee]

Year 38 on my farm and right now my main focus is to get a perfectly aligned row of each giant crop along the hilltop river. Also trying to get one of each in a different spot, figured it would speed up the process. I have one crop missing from each group after 3 years of planting, this could take a while… we shall see.

 

[BeBop268170]

Year 38 on my farm and right now my main focus is to get a perfectly aligned row of each giant crop along the hilltop river. Also trying to get one of each in a different spot, figured it would speed up the process. I have one crop missing from each group after 3 years of planting, this could take a while… we shall see.

Weird objective haha
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