Can I adopt Leo?

[Laissez_Faire_Farming]

edit: As Odin said, parrots can talk but it's a bit different than Leo being alone...
I know, right. Sometimes, we should question the parrot's parenting style. Do we trust the parrots? Do they have higher intelligence to understand a human child?
Are they empathetical?

It reminds me of old literature we used to read or watch...
Tarzan Disney(Africa) – Being raised by a gorilla
Jungle Book (India) – Raised by wolves and has a black panther and bear as guardians
Wild Child (France) – Raises by wolves
Roman Mythology – Raises by a female wolf.

So on... So on...

 

[FlyingCatPhillips]

The parrots are also good builders, too!

Maybe not something to take too seriously though

 

[Dr. eeL]

There are a lot of great answers posted to "the argument". One of the magic traits of the valley is that it remains frozen in time, and although older people live in the valley, no one ages (or in the case of children, grows up). It is not necessary for Leo to acquire the behaviors necessary to become a working minion of society. In a real world, he would be irreparably damaged. In this magical world, he can remain what he is, a delightful little boy capturing new experiences. I thought that it was well done for Linus (who speaks fluent parrot) to adopt him. But if another farmer would like to do the same, I'm all for it.

 

[FlyingCatPhillips]

Maybe we need to look at this as if Stardew Valley is a 2d game, that is not to be taken so seriously.
Like it was made for people to have fun with and play, but ultimately we can walk away from it.
We can mod it to add new elements, frankly I think it would be neat if Willie got the chance to adopt Leo.
This may not be your viewpoint. That's fine, but ultimately it is a game and to take everything about it seriously is a bit much.

 

[Laissez_Faire_Farming]

There are a lot of great answers posted to "the argument". One of the magic traits of the valley is that it remains frozen in time, and although older people live in the valley, no one ages (or in the case of children, grows up). It is not necessary for Leo to acquire the behaviors necessary to become a working minion of society. In a real world, he would be irreparably damaged. In this magical world, he can remain what he is, a delightful little boy capturing new experiences. I thought that it was well done for Linus (who speaks fluent parrot) to adopt him. But if another farmer would like to do the same, I'm all for it.

Great point! Thanks for bringing up the discussion about the magic of the valley! – I never thought about it.

Actually, the farmer attempted to speak in the parrot's language in one of the hearts' events. But Linus is better than the farmer.
As you said, Linus is fluent in parrots and is into nature, just like Leo. —It is evident that he is an ideal mentor. I can see why Linus and Leo have a lot in common.
I agree that it would be so cool if we had the ability, like Linus –we would have ended up adopting Leo.

 

[Laissez_Faire_Farming]

Maybe we need to look at this as if Stardew Valley is a 2d game, that is not to be taken so seriously.
Like it was made for people to have fun with and play, but ultimately we can walk away from it.
We can mod it to add new elements, frankly I think it would be neat if Willie got the chance to adopt Leo.
This may not be your viewpoint. That's fine, but ultimately it is a game and to take everything about it seriously is a bit much.

I respectfully disagree with you...
I am not sure there is a strong connection between Willy and Leo.
However, I am interested in continuing to hear your perspective on that.
I am encouraging you to prove me wrong.

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I can see why you are trying to prove that the parrots are not good parents. Many of the wild children failed to live in a civilized world. Many of them have a short life span.
Sadly, many of them did not have a happy ending.

Dr. eel made an interesting point that Linus can speak fluently in a parrot, and he is into nature. –therefore, Linus is an ideal mentor for Leo.
Additionally, Penny made a lot of effort to educate Leo. Also, Lewis complimented Leo for being a great citizen.
Therefore, Leo is capable of living both in a natural and civilized world.

 

[Zen_the_Ogre]

So it looks like mentioning any real world correlation to this topic is taboo as I have be censored 3 times...... I guess the truth offends more than a lie any day.

I will leave this thread only saying this. Parrots have the intellectual capacity of 3 year olds. If you think of this in that concept you basically have Leo in an "I am Sam" situation. With The parrots being Sam, Leo being Lucy, Linus being Annie, and Penny being Randy. It stinks for those involved but the problems arise from what happens in situations beyond the scope of understanding from a care giver. The movie is definitely worth a watch it is a pg-13 film that does discuss some uncomfortable topics but it is definitely a classic.

If Leo were to break an arm would Linus set it himself and put on a poultice because he doesn't trust doctors and there ways or would he acknowledge that he needs to put aside his views so Leo can get better.

 

[Laissez_Faire_Farming]

So it looks like mentioning any real world correlation to this topic is taboo as I have be censored 3 times...... I guess the truth offends more than a lie any day.

I will leave this thread only saying this. Parrots have the intellectual capacity of 3 year olds. If you think of this in that concept you basically have Leo in an "I am Sam" situation. With The parrots being Sam, Leo being Lucy, Linus being Annie, and Penny being Randy. It stinks for those involved but the problems arise from what happens in situations beyond the scope of understanding from a care giver. The movie is definitely worth a watch it is a pg-13 film that does discuss some uncomfortable topics but it is definitely a classic.

If Leo were to break an arm would Linus set it himself and put on a poultice because he doesn't trust doctors and there ways or would he acknowledge that he needs to put aside his views so Leo can get better.

I have watched the trailer to try to understand your point. The movie hooked me and thanks for suggesting to watch it. I think I am going to enjoy it.
However, I think comparing someone with the mental capacity of 3 years old and a parrot's mental capacity is like comparing apple to orange to me.
–Also, it reminds me of Forest Gump.

Before when Leo departed Ginger Island, the parrots responded with great maturity. They may not be the ideal caregivers for human child, but they have some qualities.

Spoiler: Leo's hearts events and parrots

Fortunately, the parrots encouraged Leo to live the Pelican Town and visit the Island whenever he wants.

Also not to forget that one of the parrots is living in his treehouse at Pelican Town.
Despite that the parrots do not have the human capacity, they show a lot of respect to Leo. – even though he is part of their family.

 

[mouse]

So it looks like mentioning any real world correlation to this topic is taboo as I have be censored 3 times...... I guess the truth offends more than a lie any day.

I will leave this thread only saying this. Parrots have the intellectual capacity of 3 year olds. If you think of this in that concept you basically have Leo in an "I am Sam" situation. With The parrots being Sam, Leo being Lucy, Linus being Annie, and Penny being Randy. It stinks for those involved but the problems arise from what happens in situations beyond the scope of understanding from a care giver. The movie is definitely worth a watch it is a pg-13 film that does discuss some uncomfortable topics but it is definitely a classic.

If Leo were to break an arm would Linus set it himself and put on a poultice because he doesn't trust doctors and there ways or would he acknowledge that he needs to put aside his views so Leo can get better.

Most parrots aren't licensed contractors able to build in seconds the kinds of houses you are talking about adopting into :P

We don't actually know what Linus would do, because there isn't really an equivalent event to parallel in the game and draw assumptions from. Linus is living the life he chose; I don't see him out there campaigning against everyone else's life. It's totally fine to disagree with it, but I don't see the point in assuming that because magical video game character shares a couple things in common with anyone's unpleasant real-life experience, that he must therefore share all of the worst ones and force them onto someone else. (That doesn't mean he wouldn't, either -- clean arm break is not too big a deal :P Just that we don't really know for sure.)

(If anything, with the characters we get more heart events with, they tend to start as obvious stereotypes/archetypes and then get small details added that make them more understandable or change their behavior.)

I hate using the "it's just a game" line because it's often more complicated than that; art imitates life imitates art etc, and people build up whole worlds around broad stroke outlines, but it feels relevant. This game has talking animals, magic, at least one deity that could possibly be real, and you can easily farm your way into a wealthy empire all by your lonesome other than your devoted spouse that waited for you to court them by throwing driftwood at them a few times a week.

I just don't see the point of applying not even exclusively real-world arguments but just "here's the particular media I watch" so selectively -- using only the worst examples, and only for the content we want to make a point about. I do think it's perfectly understandable to have historical or personal experience give uncomfortable parallels to fictional content that you feel differently about than other people! And there's no reason we shouldn't try to express it and make ourselves heard about it, either.

That's a contributing factor to why I didn't want Leo to be adoptable, after all! :D I could be inserting lots of bad historical examples of children taken to be raised in different families to have a more "proper" upbringing, but I don't think it's fair to use them, as if people wanting to adopt Leo weren't just starved of family life beyond mobile hatracks and the devs wouldn't have just wanted a cute ending for a story. Things can make us feel badly about them without being actual 1:1 copies of the content we are reminded of, just because we added more dots and then drew lines between them, if that makes any sense. (We already do this enough with each other!)

I feel like all your examples would be be really relatable if they just went more like, "I really want this theme to be represented differently because my experiences make me feel strongly about this kind of content" instead of presenting what you think fictional, magical characters would do or intend as absolute fact based on those feelings, you know? It's difficult for people to talk lightheartedly about game content when it's something people feel so strongly about and correlate directly to RL events or "movie I watched" without leaving any room for intent or fantasy :)

Sorry for long rambling, this is why I am banned from forums in 23 states...

 

[Laissez_Faire_Farming]

Also, I need to raise a flag before we shared our opinions. I noticed that there is some language barrier and confusion here in this thread.
I notice that most of us need to be aware of the differences. with parenting, mentoring, and caring...

---->If you want Leo to live independently, he could have Linus as a mentor.

----> Some people like me thought that Linus is the adoptive parent.

----> Are the parrots parenting Leo every day?

Hope we are on the same page on that. I am trying to prevent the misunderstanding...

 

[Tabs7351]

Everyone has different perspective, while a lot of people like Leos' story and wants it to stay the way it is. I can see how a mod could serve to change elements in the story. Such as maybe later on you could build a hut on your farm for Leo, so he could live the way he wants and able to be a part of the players family as well. It's only human nature to want to help those around us, especially if we feel we have more then we need. That is not to say all people are like that.

As for Jas, I think she is Marnie's daughter....
I think a mod that would allow Marnie to find a husband and to marry him, that would be nice. She seems so unhappy and lonely most of the time. Being a single parent is tough and it's probably taken a lot out of her. Shane may not have been as helpful as she needed in the beginning (alcohol). While I am sure later he was helpful; Marnie still may miss that connection which is found in marriage.

"civilized" and "uncivilized" are generally used to describe a persons apparent hygiene, clothing, and presumed education. As far as I am concerned, he's wearing clothes, he's not a danger to himself or others around him and he is getting enough food to eat. For all appearances Leo is happy. It would be nice to know that he's getting baths, but I guess he lives next to the spa so maybe he goes there. He gets along with more people in town than Linus and that will slowly start to help his social problems and he may even feel more comfortable in society as time progresses.
Linus needs more help than Leo does, but Linus is not a cute little kid either.... If he were, there would definitely be a fan base wanting to adopt him!

Shane is Marnie's nephew & Jas is Shane's goddaughter. He got custody over her when her parents died. Shane then moved in with Marnie and Jas started calling her ‘Aunt Marnie’ and she called Shane ‘Uncle Shane’. So if you look at it from at legal stand point that mod would not make sense in my opinion.

 

[The Stardew Capitalist]

Viewing someone as uncivilized... is kinda judgmental, isn't it?

Even though he is uncivilised as a FACT