Kumomo
Farmhand
别的不提，老师傅香炸奶酪卷→老坎诺利大师是没问题的，原先的翻译更加意义不明。原文Old Master Cannoli，游戏里的意思是石像是个叫坎诺利的大师。cannoli是一种意大利甜品（也就是原翻译的香炸奶酪卷），在这里做人名和宝石甜莓呼应，人物雕像底下标注人物名也更符合常理，原翻译容易误导玩家以为需要在游戏里找叫香炸奶酪卷的物品。
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Strontium
Greenhorn
我非常膈应把Godfather翻译成义父的行为
Godfather在此前的任何的中文翻译都是“教父”，这个词本身带有很强的宗教背景，特指是婴儿受洗时扮演作保的角色，婴儿或儿童受洗后，教父母会教导受洗者（即教子女）在宗教上的知识，而如果教子女的双亲死亡，教父母有责任去照顾教子女。
“义父”是指没有血缘或婚姻关系，拜认的亲属。义父在中文环境下，并不是一定终身的，也没有宗教责任带来的养育和教育义务。义父和教父是包含关系，这个新的翻译带来了更多的歧义……并且我个人认为把教父的翻译修改成义父是非常不尊重星露谷作品中宗教文化以及其他中文环境下信教玩家的行为
I strongly disagreed with the new Chinese translation of "godfather". Almost all previous Chinese tranlation of "godfather" is "教父". The Chinese word "教父" has a strong religious background. In English culture, godparent is someone who bears witness to a child's baptism (christening) and later is willing to help in their catechesis, as well as their lifelong spiritual formation. (I am not religious so sorry I copied from English wiki)
The current translation of "godfather" is "义父". In Chinese, the origin of the word "义父" does NOT have any religious background. And commonly in daily life it is NOT considered religious at all. It literally means "adoptive father"!! The relationship underlying 义父 in Chinese is NOT certainly lifelong and it does not have the same responsibilities as godfather(like help in godson/goddaughter's catechesis) . In Chinese, “义父” may contain "教父". It is too vague for the word godfather.
I think the current Chinese translation of "godfather" does not respect religious culture in SDV and all religious players speaking Chinese.
顺便，这是我非常私人的想法就不带英文了，义父一词演化到现在因为各种奇怪的原因，在日常有了一些贬义色彩，这也是我讨厌把教父翻译成义父的原因之一。星露谷文本不需要任何的审查，因此我非常不理解制作组把原本准确无误的翻译改成一个带有歧义的词。因为我开了新档，在这次更新后才触发的谢恩和贾斯相关剧情，义父是真的让我笑死了。
Godfather在此前的任何的中文翻译都是“教父”，这个词本身带有很强的宗教背景，特指是婴儿受洗时扮演作保的角色，婴儿或儿童受洗后，教父母会教导受洗者（即教子女）在宗教上的知识，而如果教子女的双亲死亡，教父母有责任去照顾教子女。
“义父”是指没有血缘或婚姻关系，拜认的亲属。义父在中文环境下，并不是一定终身的，也没有宗教责任带来的养育和教育义务。义父和教父是包含关系，这个新的翻译带来了更多的歧义……并且我个人认为把教父的翻译修改成义父是非常不尊重星露谷作品中宗教文化以及其他中文环境下信教玩家的行为
I strongly disagreed with the new Chinese translation of "godfather". Almost all previous Chinese tranlation of "godfather" is "教父". The Chinese word "教父" has a strong religious background. In English culture, godparent is someone who bears witness to a child's baptism (christening) and later is willing to help in their catechesis, as well as their lifelong spiritual formation. (I am not religious so sorry I copied from English wiki)
The current translation of "godfather" is "义父". In Chinese, the origin of the word "义父" does NOT have any religious background. And commonly in daily life it is NOT considered religious at all. It literally means "adoptive father"!! The relationship underlying 义父 in Chinese is NOT certainly lifelong and it does not have the same responsibilities as godfather(like help in godson/goddaughter's catechesis) . In Chinese, “义父” may contain "教父". It is too vague for the word godfather.
I think the current Chinese translation of "godfather" does not respect religious culture in SDV and all religious players speaking Chinese.
顺便，这是我非常私人的想法就不带英文了，义父一词演化到现在因为各种奇怪的原因，在日常有了一些贬义色彩，这也是我讨厌把教父翻译成义父的原因之一。星露谷文本不需要任何的审查，因此我非常不理解制作组把原本准确无误的翻译改成一个带有歧义的词。因为我开了新档，在这次更新后才触发的谢恩和贾斯相关剧情，义父是真的让我笑死了。
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Strontium
Greenhorn
关于yam比较无解，这个词本身的定义同时包含了中文意义上的山药和番薯（地瓜，红薯）（the starchy, tuberous root of any of various climbing vines of the genus Dioscorea, cultivated for food in warm regions.）
游戏里看着比较像中文里说的番薯（地瓜，红薯）。NA这边的西人超市我见到的yam大部分是红薯，华人超市里售卖的山药会写是Chinese yam（铁棍山药或者淮山）或者Japanese yam（长芋）番薯既有写yam又有写sweet potato的
属于是历史遗留问题了，所以这次把原本的山药改成薯我持保留态度，但雪山药画得像个萝卜就很难说。
The word "yam" is defined as "the starchy, tuberous root of any of various climbing vines of the genus Dioscorea, cultivated for food in warm regions". It includes both "山药" and "红薯". Additional information for non-Chinese speaker, they look totally different. "山药" looks like a stick. It is brownish white and has no specific taste. "红薯" is oval-shaped. It is brownish red and it tastes sweet(basically what you think what yam is)
In game, it looks like "红薯"(oval-shaped. It is brownish red).
For the new version of Chinese translation, some of "山药" was changed to "红薯". I am neutral on this topic. In real life, when Asian supermarket want to distinguish those, they will specify product origin(like Chinese yam, Japanese yam, etc) for "山药". And for "红薯", they will put either "yam" or "sweet potato".
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that it's OK to speak Chinese in this topic. I understand that you've been sent here to give feedback, and I know this isn't the ideal thing for you and other players in the community. We're taking all of this very seriously and please continue to give your thoughts. English does help, but if you are much more comfortable in speaking Chinese only then please do so.
There's been a lot of miscommunication and we're looking into it. I can't give a solid answer about anything right now because everything is in progress, but we are listening. Thank you and I'm sorry that the changes have been upsetting and that you haven't been able to give feedback in other forums.
edit: Just wanted to say too that both me and liquidcat are not involved with the translation, we're doing our best to help communicate with what we know so we can't give a lot of information but we will definitely keep you updated and we hope this is temporary (so you will be able to better give feedback in the Chinese community)
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Sko0w0
Cowpoke
Hello, thanks a lot for posting the update.
Due to lack of communication channel with the translation team, can you please also help with following-up on the font change of Chinese translation in 1.6.4?
Over the years of gaming, many of the users are used to the iconic, pixel-style font that Stardew Valley has for all translation options.
This new Chinese translation team changed the font to something that doesn't even align with Stardew Valley's traditional style.
The new font is quite UGLY. I know there are mods for changing that, but us players shouldn't be the ones taking the effort to adapt to something we don't like, something decided solely by the arrogant and irresponsible translation team.
We want the font to be rolled back to 1.6.3 version as well, please kindly help.
Please don't let this arrogant team ruined years of memories with Stardew Valley.
yujqvq
Greenhorn
the transition team just need to post an account for players take translation problem in Chinese forum like "bilibili".you know most of Chinese player could not join the this forums for discussion because some Chinese internet policy.
about transition there are many others reflected.
as I know, a translation member once responded to some questions in the Chinese community, but when the majority opinion came he chose to cancel the account.
yvvt0379
Farmhand
Hey, it's a good news, but please don't revert some of the translations like 老坎诺利大师 and 通过出货箱售出. Thank you.
Burn_666
Greenhorn
I originally wanted to make a long paragraph, but now let me explain it simply and straightforwardly. The new Chinese translation is undoubtedly a huge earthquake for the Chinese community in Stardew Valley. See the Steam review for details. Nowadays, many Chinese players are giving Stardew Valley bad reviews because of the new Chinese translation. Not only because of the excessive literalism (deviating from real-life applications) in the new Chinese translation, but also because of some obvious mistranslations. (For example, Godfather is translated as foster father, piggy is translated as zhuyinger. No one in China would express it this way, just like not all British people are Shakespeare), and the arrogant attitude of the Chinese team really angered the Chinese players. "Survival bias" "Most people like it, but they don't say anything", okay, now you can see those unfortunate few from the Steam negative reviews.But I guess when you see it, you might think, "Oh, the Chinese are really irrational," or "Ah, I know, this is the blind obedience effect."(if you can read it).
Have a nice day.
Have a nice day.
the8624
Farmhand
Good to hear that! We appreciate that the translators are making efforts to make the translation better. But next time, we hope they can connect with the communities and discuss what needs to be changed before applying the changes.
the8624
Farmhand
I really want to thank you for looking into our messages and transferring them to the translators! Somehow we cannot reach them through our local Chinese communities, so your work helped us all to resolve the situation.
the8624
Farmhand
I want to point out that, undeniably, there are some good changes in the 1.6.4 version, but the overall translation quality is pretty bad. From my perspective, the translators definitely should go to the Chinese Stardew Valley communities (贴吧，小红书，b站，等等), and actually talk with us to hear our opinions. The players are happy to accept reasonable changes.
yvvt0379
Farmhand
Yeah, they shouldn't let the video uploaders and forum administrators take the blame for them. It's their job to communicate with players, not these uploaders and administrators'.
Burn_666
Greenhorn
First of all, I apologize for my somewhat extreme remarks in my last post, but what happened recently is really hard to calm down. Many Chinese players have devoted hundreds of hours to this game. Stardew Valley is more than just a game for us, it is a warm little home we have built in the virtual world. And when you open the door and return to this warm world, wanting to get comfort, you find that everything is so strange and weird, and everyone is saying weird things.
Stardew Valley is originally a magical world, and many players have formed original reading habits. It is good to be able to correct some old translation errors in the new version. Thank you for your efforts. However, the addition of overly academic words and Chinese Internet buzzwords is unacceptable and violates the principle of “faithfulness 、expressiveness and elegance ” in translation. It feels like the God of the real world has suddenly turned into the God of Shakespeare and the Internet, and everyone either speaks like Shakespeare or can only communicate in Internet slang.
As for the feedback from players, I don’t know if the Chinese team has taken it seriously and listened to their suggestions. Just like what someone mentioned before: "dachang (Internet giant company)" and "neijuan (meaningless individual competition)". A staff member replied that the word "neijuan" appeared in 2018, so it is reasonable for Sebastian to say this word. Which is funny, because Stardew Valley doesn't reflect a lot of its era. It is obviously unreasonable to use this reason to support the translation of these two words, because I can also say that Sebastian is still using such a large desktop computer, how can you determine whether the time in the game is later than 2018? And I also saw in the player responses later that some players from other places where Chinese is spoken, they do not clearly understand Internet buzzwords that only exist in mainland China, such as "dachang (Internet giant company)". Therefore, as someone mentioned before, if players want to propose modifications, they must give them rigorously and conscientiously without making any mistakes or omissions. Sometimes the staff can refute it by just giving a subjective or even sophistical reply. This is arrogant and defeats the purpose of communication because we inevitably end up in a verbal spat.
Stardew Valley is originally a magical world, and many players have formed original reading habits. It is good to be able to correct some old translation errors in the new version. Thank you for your efforts. However, the addition of overly academic words and Chinese Internet buzzwords is unacceptable and violates the principle of “faithfulness 、expressiveness and elegance ” in translation. It feels like the God of the real world has suddenly turned into the God of Shakespeare and the Internet, and everyone either speaks like Shakespeare or can only communicate in Internet slang.
As for the feedback from players, I don’t know if the Chinese team has taken it seriously and listened to their suggestions. Just like what someone mentioned before: "dachang (Internet giant company)" and "neijuan (meaningless individual competition)". A staff member replied that the word "neijuan" appeared in 2018, so it is reasonable for Sebastian to say this word. Which is funny, because Stardew Valley doesn't reflect a lot of its era. It is obviously unreasonable to use this reason to support the translation of these two words, because I can also say that Sebastian is still using such a large desktop computer, how can you determine whether the time in the game is later than 2018? And I also saw in the player responses later that some players from other places where Chinese is spoken, they do not clearly understand Internet buzzwords that only exist in mainland China, such as "dachang (Internet giant company)". Therefore, as someone mentioned before, if players want to propose modifications, they must give them rigorously and conscientiously without making any mistakes or omissions. Sometimes the staff can refute it by just giving a subjective or even sophistical reply. This is arrogant and defeats the purpose of communication because we inevitably end up in a verbal spat.
Burn_666
Greenhorn
Moreover, after the new translation was released, the Chinese translation team found two video bloggers who have great influence in the Chinese Stardew Valley community and announced the launch of the new Chinese translation, which caused a great response. As of my refresh last night, there were nearly 4,000 comments under the three videos. If they want feedback, this is a great place to get it. Not to mention the discussions initiated by players on other platforms (Tieba贴吧, Xiaohongshu小红书). Please treat this matter with caution.
Burn_666
Greenhorn
I just checked it again and unfortunately, one of the bloggers has deleted the video. I can understand it, because now these two bloggers bear the players' dissatisfaction with the Chinese group.
Hi, I have been informed that the previous font will return, and the new font will remain as an option.