Thread to clear some of the most unliked villagers

[Quillmagic]

Are there any Stardew villagers that most of the community doesn't like that you like/don't mind? What are your reasons for it or theories that make some villagers more likable? I don't have any personal ones, just want to know others' opinions!

 

[Lew Zealand]

Probably Clint. Frankly I get the impression that Clint is below notice for many people but the rest find him mildly annoying because he needs an attitude readjustment. However since I was basically Clint as a younger person I know he can improve himself (well, at least my version of "improve") and if I was ever going to write an expanded NPC mod, it'd be for Clint.

I think Shane turns off some people for at least the first 6 of your heart levels with him but every time he'd say, “I'm surprised that you're still trying to make friends with me. Haven't I been rude enough to you yet?,” I'd immediately react in my head with, "You don't fool me for a second you big faker and I'll be talking to you tomorrow as well."

 

[LRangerR]

To be fair I think Clint has been dealt the worst set of cards in the game, and a lot of the characters are in ****ty situations as it is. He kinda strikes me as he's kinda just, given up on everything, maybe except Emily. Until of course a new farmer comes to town and sweeps her off her feet. And people wonder why he puts bombs in the trashcans.

 

[Karzikann]

For me personally, it's Haley. My friends and I like to hate on her for fun for her stupidity, but I can see why some people would like her.

 

[LRangerR]

For me personally, it's Haley. My friends and I like to hate on her for fun for her stupidity, but I can see why some people would like her.

It's because she's blond isn't it?

 

[PoppyForPenny]

I don't expect to change anyone's mind about Pam, but I like her a lot. I get a lot of satisfaction fixing the bus, building the house, cleaning up her yard. I know she drinks too much and not a great relationship with her daughter. But she's an excellent mother in law, I like her dialog and endearment calling me kid. She was my first friend my first playthrough. She loves parsnips. I'm fond of her.

 

[boyliker]

pierre because i want to marry caroline </3 caroline divorce his ass!!! other than that i like him though lmfao i don't really have anyone i dislike. wbu?

 

[Worblehat]

I'm new so I don't know who the community dislikes. Based on the favorite marriage candidate thread, apparently I'm unusual for thinking that Maru is by far the best of the marriageable NPCs. And on the flip side I don't see why Sebastian is so popular - just a powergaming move with coffee being considered more desirable from a spouse than bombs? I wouldn't say I dislike him, but he's one of several characters that I don't see much and don't find very interesting when I do see them (Sam, Jodi, Elliott, Evelyn & George, Caroline, and the Wizard are the others on that list).

I agree with PoppyForPenny about Pam; she drinks too much but that's understandable with her being unemployed (well, aside from how she pays for the beers... ). And she's not a jerk, unlike Shane, so I don't have a problem with her at all. I expect to ignore Shane in subsequent playthroughs, but for my first game I intend to max relations with every possible NPC. If I dislike anyone in this game, he'd be the one.

Characters that I like more than most, other than Maru: Demetrius, Willy, Linus, and Abigail is growing on me as well. I'll probably like Harvey too, but I only see him on Tues./Thurs. mornings as I say hi to Maru.

 

[Fat Link]

I’ve never liked Lewis.

He’s always come off like a creep.

Dude gives off really bad vibes.

I truly wish he was not in the game or that another poster’s great idea could be implemented as canon whereby our game character after doing enough to improve the community could run against Lewis for mayor, beat him and then ideally in an extra added bit of choose your own adventure story I’d personally have added to the other poster’s idea that you could have it be that after his defeat Lewis leaves town humiliated or if you’re into his disgusting relationships with Marnie he’d then stay in town and they’d be open in their relationship together finally for the gamers that “ship” them and by those people completing certain added quests for them over time they’d decide to get married and a date would be set up for it and your mayor character would preside over it and basically it’d be pretty similar to your main character’s marriage ceremony when and if you’ve ever decided to marry someone in the game.

Everyone else is relatively like able in their own unique way though I’ve been hoping to get an answer from Concerned Ape or anyone who might know if in creating the Demetrius character and having his daughter build a sentient robot if in so doing Eric was at all inspired by Terminator 2 since D-man does physically resemble his fellow scientist in the film “Miles Bennet Dyson” quite a lot not to mention again the whole Maru building a Terminator in her bedroom thing lmao.

Edit: I initially answered the thread just reading your topic’s title and assumed you just wanted to know who each of us disliked as villagers and not your follow up opening post that explained that you wanted us to tell you characters the majority of the community seems to hate that perhaps some of us here don’t hate, even might like and why so I’ll definitely side with my boy Clint.

He’s misunderstood is all.

Though he explains he had a father in his life his father clearly never red pilled him on women which is why Emily forever remains his oneitis and not his potential girlfriend and eventual wife.

Half of the community members who hate his character are probably mostly male incels like he himself is supposed to represent/portray and so hate Clint as Clint hates himself (as they hate themselves) which is the same reason gamers initially hated Raiden of MGS2 fame ie he reminded them too much of themselves ie girlish/weak in appearance and non threatening in every way which is the total opposite of the masculine high energy, high T badass that is Solid Snake.

The other half of the community ie females that hate Clint are mostly just the typical mean spirited ugly chicks who get offended when anyone whose not a mega Chad that looks exactly like Henry Cavill or some other major male celebrity hunk merely expresses the desire that surprise, surprise they too would like to have a girlfriend.

Well ugly guys just offend these ugly chicks to no end so Clint gets no love from them and is as a character accused of being entitled and wanting to force Emily to be with him (apparently) which there’s no in game evidence whatsoever of a desire to force her to do anything (just hope) but endless Reddit threads make this idiotic claim/accusation time and time and time again.

In fact a new one will probably be written before I finish editing this post.

 

[imnvs]

Okay, people... I'm kinda disappointed. This thread was supposed to be for redeeming the people you like that others do not, and not so much explaining why you don't like the people you don't. We've had a few of those threads recently and I don't think we need another. This one was supposed to be a positive, uplifting thing.

 

[Bananapaws]

Shane. Yes, he's very rude to you at first, but he's also struggling. Depression, alcoholism, and losing his best friends (Jas's parents) and trying to be a good uncle/surrogate father to her. He's working a dead-end job and doesn't see future for himself. Marrying him does not cure his depression, and I love that about the game. Even having awesome things in your life cannot fix it when your stupid brain just doesn't quite function the right way (I've suffered from it most of my life until finally finding a medication that wasn't a cure-all but allowed me to at least function when the dark clouds roll in). You can't explain away depression. Most of the time you can't even say why you're depressed: you just *are*. And even if you just befriend him instead of marrying him, Shane gets the strength to fight back against his demons. Not defeat them: he's always going to have bleak days and he's always going to be tempted by alcohol. But he's now at least willing to try. And if you do marry him, he actually ends up being a pretty good dad.

 

[BringsTheSnow]

Clint doesn't bother me. He is kind of an Eyore but he still gets up each morning and runs his shop and is trying to get over himself enough to express his feelings to Emily.

I have seen some people talk bad about Penny and Pam but I honestly think CA did a really good job with the their characters and the relationship between Penny, a kind selfless individual who probably doesn't know her own worth and spends her life caring for others, and Pam, a somewhat absent parent who really loves her kid but is struggling with substance abuse. Penny is an awesome spouse if you marry her and Pam does get better the more you know her (and especially after you fix the bus and build her a new house to replace the trailer). She shapes up, but even before that she will talk about Penny a lot. She says things like, "Penny sure does like old books. I think she's a heck of a lot smarter than I ever was. I'm glad."

 

[Salty1]

Clint doesn't bother me. He is kind of an Eyore but he still gets up each morning and runs his shop and is trying to get over himself enough to express his feelings to Emily.

I have seen some people talk bad about Penny and Pam but I honestly think CA did a really good job with the their characters and the relationship between Penny, a kind selfless individual who probably doesn't know her own worth and spends her life caring for others, and Pam, a somewhat absent parent who really loves her kid but is struggling with substance abuse. Penny is an awesome spouse if you marry her and Pam does get better the more you know her (and especially after you fix the bus and build her a new house to replace the trailer). She shapes up, but even before that she will talk about Penny a lot. She says things like, "Penny sure does like old books. I think she's a heck of a lot smarter than I ever was. I'm glad."

Clint's issue is a lack of development, imo. Same with Shane. Some people will like it for the realism, but in the real world, these people are often alone for that express reason. The fact that it is a realistic depiction of such personalities is exactly what inspires the hate, imo. In Clint's case, I think it would be neat to have a mod or something where you get to see the results of that date to the Grampleton Fair - we've just left hanging otherwise with no answers or results. Like, it'd be neat if he could come to realise they're incompatible but still likes her, and ends up with a "successful" clothing therapy session where he'll actually wear those clothes day to day when he's not working at the forge. That sort of pivot towards greater self-acceptance could be just enough without totally changing the character imo.

Pam's problem is probably that she is reminiscent of abusers in too many cases. I think the people most willing to hate on Pam will get hooked on that right away after seeing Penny's events and be dismissive of Pam thereafter. Pam seems to value her daughter a lot but doesn't know how to really help her or know what to do for her, and Pam has also kind of given up on herself and resents nudges to do better (for herself). I think a lot of people don't quite see that, and see someone who might even be envious of the gifts and talents of their own kid and internally want to sabotage them. There's a certain essence of that reflected in some of her reactions, even though I don't think that's the end take.

 

[lilan castel]

I'm here to clean Pierre. I like him. He might be the only person who hates Joja like I do! I like to imagine that my farmer and him disscuss about joja. Since my ida for the secret stash is the threat letters from joja I want to burn them for him.

 

[LRangerR]

Pam safely drives me to the desert after I give her a beer. This is A+ for me.

In all seriousness though, since cactus is also one of her favorite gifts, I wonder if a wine made from it should probably give her extra hearts.

 

[LRangerR]

I'm here to clean Pierre. I like him. He might be the only person who hates Joja like I do! I like to imagine that my farmer and him disscuss about joja. Since my ida for the secret stash is the threat letters from joja I want to burn them for him.

Have you seen the real "threat letter" (it's not much of a threat, but it is full of Morrisjerk) that's in his kitchen?

 

[lilan castel]

Have you seen the real "threat letter" (it's not much of a threat, but it is full of Morrisjerk) that's in his kitchen?

Yep. He keeps one outside while he keeps the others there. He has about 500 letters.

 

[Alfyna]

(Yikes, things got pretty aggressive up there. ...)

I'm here to clear Alex. Alex is a great character who suffers from comparison because he's the odd man out in his age group. Down the street you've got Sam, who's welcoming, humble, and exudes fun goofy energy, and up the street you've got Sebastian and Abigail with their similar gothic aesthetic. And then there's Alex. He doesn't fit in with the trio and has interests nobody in town shares, which means he has dreams that nobody in town really understands. Like I see people go after him for his 'arrogance' about being good at gridball, but to me it comes off no different than the usual kid hyperbole. "I'm gonna be the best!!! Just watch me!!! You'll cheer me on, right?!"

I wonder sometimes about how much difference player age makes Re: how some of these characters are perceived. Pam's a good example of this --- I feel like while all players find her problematic, the older ones sympathize more with the nihilism and depression that keep feeding her worst impulses. Harvey might feel 'boring' when you're younger but has a maturity and stability that might get more appealing as you get older. I wonder if the closer a player is to Alex's age the more grating that 'arrogant jock' persona might be, because it's something they have to deal with more often --- vs the more distance you get away from high school/college, the more you look at that tail-wagging confidence as charming rather than annoying. It's more, "Aw, big dreams, go for it, kid" vs "omg please just sit down".

^ Like I can't caveat this enough, these generalizations are not true for everyone, everyone's got their own unique opinions/experience and all of them are valid. I think it's more of an informal observation I've made talking to other SDV fans. Haley would have pushed all my buttons back in high school as she was the type of person to make life difficult for me, but now the main things I notice about her are her positive character arc/cool hobbies/cute love of sunflowers. It'd be neat to have an anonymous spreadsheet of like... player ages and favorite characters to see which characters did better for which age groups.

tldr - Alex does not deserve the scorn he gets. He's sweet, hardworking, sensitive, and is doing everything he can to make his parents and grandparents proud of him.

 

[LettuceFarm]

Pam and Shane: I really don't mind them much. They're not intrinsically bad people, but struggling with depression and alcoholism. I like how it's difficult for them to change their ways even when the characters acknowledge that what they are doing is harmful to themselves and the people around them. I especially like how Shane doesn't change much post marriage. Also, it's hard to hate them considering that neither are physically or verbally abusive as some in their position tend to be.

Haley: She's clearly not as vapid as the the game first implies. She has clear hobbies, is assertive, and can loosen up to have fun.

Alex: Nothing against him. I don't even think he's as arrogant as perceived. I just find his story arc to be a bit boring.

but I do have some characters that do irk me .. ​

Clint: I don't mind that he doesn't have much ambition or drive. I even sympathize with him on that front. He just gives me the creeps regarding Emily - reminds me of some self proclaimed "nice guys" I've had the displeasure of meeting. However this may be because Emily was not a marriage candidate before and their storyline stayed the same when she become marriageable.

Pierre: His greed is no different from Joja. Well, actually, he might be worse than Joja. At least Joja offers lower prices to the benefit to the consumer and competition. Pierre talks about how Jojo took away the sense of community and how people connect to each other but at the same time spends zero time with his family and is hardly ever present at community events other than to run his stand. Plus the audacity to charge 25000gs for 2500gp parsnip...

I think I would dislike him less if I knew why he's so keen on money. Is it to fill the void in his heart knowing that Caroline probs cheated on him and Abigail might not be his child? I feel like his story could be expanded on to introduce a purpose... why he is the way he is.

 

[Salty1]

(Yikes, things got pretty aggressive up there. ...)

I'm here to clear Alex. Alex is a great character who suffers from comparison because he's the odd man out in his age group. Down the street you've got Sam, who's welcoming, humble, and exudes fun goofy energy, and up the street you've got Sebastian and Abigail with their similar gothic aesthetic. And then there's Alex. He doesn't fit in with the trio and has interests nobody in town shares, which means he has dreams that nobody in town really understands. Like I see people go after him for his 'arrogance' about being good at gridball, but to me it comes off no different than the usual kid hyperbole. "I'm gonna be the best!!! Just watch me!!! You'll cheer me on, right?!"

I wonder sometimes about how much difference player age makes Re: how some of these characters are perceived. Pam's a good example of this --- I feel like while all players find her problematic, the older ones sympathize more with the nihilism and depression that keep feeding her worst impulses. Harvey might feel 'boring' when you're younger but has a maturity and stability that might get more appealing as you get older. I wonder if the closer a player is to Alex's age the more grating that 'arrogant jock' persona might be, because it's something they have to deal with more often --- vs the more distance you get away from high school/college, the more you look at that tail-wagging confidence as charming rather than annoying. It's more, "Aw, big dreams, go for it, kid" vs "omg please just sit down".

^ Like I can't caveat this enough, these generalizations are not true for everyone, everyone's got their own unique opinions/experience and all of them are valid. I think it's more of an informal observation I've made talking to other SDV fans. Haley would have pushed all my buttons back in high school as she was the type of person to make life difficult for me, but now the main things I notice about her are her positive character arc/cool hobbies/cute love of sunflowers. It'd be neat to have an anonymous spreadsheet of like... player ages and favorite characters to see which characters did better for which age groups.

tldr - Alex does not deserve the scorn he gets. He's sweet, hardworking, sensitive, and is doing everything he can to make his parents and grandparents proud of him.

Over time, Haley and Alex have become my favourite marriage candidates - not that they are leagues far above everyone else, but there are some distinct differences that just seem to hit it for me. In both cases, I don't think you can get the full effect unless you marry them and chase down all their dialogues.

Spoiler: This is pretty much all relationship spoilers, don't proceed if you'd rather find our yourself

In the case of Alex, it has to do with the ultimate source of his sports obsession - the desire to make his mother proud. Max heart husband Alex still loves gridball, but he's not only fine with letting go once he's entered into a happy relationship, but is very thankful to have the family experience he never got growing up and will remind you of that pretty frequently. His 14 heart event is like a full transition to Dad status, and he ends up with a ritual event with Kent/Gus/George, and effectively finds more of a place in town than he did as a "kid" among Sebastian and Sam. You also get a feel more for just how much Evelyn and George care about him and have done their best to support him in the subtle ways the game tells you - and if you don't know what I mean, take a look at the room that Evelyn and George have consigned themselves to sleeping in versus Alex.

Haley is, admittedly a case where I might be reading too much into the dialogue. Her arc is apparent enough, but she has these moments where she muses over whether or not she'll still be lovable when she is old and grey. She seems to become conscious of her vanity, and that her demeanor and desires don't quite blend with the farm life, but is both willing and eager to sacrifice/compromise a bit on those to try to upkeep a positive relationship. Gives a Green Acres sort of vibe. She'll daydream of retiring on some tropical island, but also assure you she still loves the old house. Despite being the "hot" one, I think she's ultimately the most self-conscious of the bachlorettes when it comes to assessing her own worth in her relationship with the farmer. If you ever divorce her, this even reflects in part with some of her dialogue post-divorce. She is, imo, not nearly as sassy and assertive as when you make her upset pre-relationship, and is also less directly confrontational with the farmer - she almost seems to own the failure of the relationship, at least in part, where as many other candidates put all that weight on your shoulders.